WHITEOUT SURVIVAL ・ Strategy proven with numbers
When you lose both the Preparation Phase and the Battle Phase, what do you actually lose, and what stays? This article sorts it out from our loss in State 3597, before we migrated.
This is our experience in State 3597, before we migrated. In SvS (a contest between two states), we lost both the Preparation Phase and the Battle Phase. We call this a "total defeat."
All we lost were three powers tied to the Supreme President seat.
Resources, buildings and troops are the same whether you win or lose. Event point rewards still paid out, and no reward was lost because of the defeat. This state lasted two weeks, until our state's own castle event began.
How much you lose depends on how much the winner shares. This time, a pre-battle agreement applied the Supreme President buff to both states, and every position except Minister of Interior was unlocked. Agreements are made before the fight, not after you lose.
SvS is decided in two parts: the Preparation Phase and the Battle Phase. That gives three outcomes.
Your state provides the Supreme President
Win Prep and lose the Battle, or the reverse
This article. The Supreme President comes from the other state
If you lose the Preparation Phase, the Battle Phase showdown happens at your own state's castle. The enemy comes into your state.
The author has not experienced what happens in a draw.
State 3597 was Gen 6 at the time, and the author was FC8. Because we lost the Preparation Phase, the showdown took place at our own castle. We lost that too, 2:00 vs 2:18 in occupation time, for a total defeat.
What happened during the Battle Phase is reviewed phase by phase, in numbers, in a separate article.
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The difference between the winning and losing state comes down to which side gets the Supreme President seat. Because the Supreme President is from the other state, every power attached to that seat goes to them.
| Item | Winning state | Losing state (us) |
|---|---|---|
| Supreme President | One of their own | Someone from the other state |
| Control of the Supreme President buff | Yes | No |
| Unlocking position buffs | They decide | We cannot decide |
| Commendations | Mostly go to their own players | Mostly none for us |
An award system: the Supreme President hands out items to players who contributed most in the fight. There are three tiers, General, Officer and Soldier, with these counts (checked on screen by the author).
| Tier | Count |
|---|---|
| General | 1 |
| Officer | 5 |
| Soldier | 30 |
The Supreme President chooses who gets them. They usually go to their own state, so players in the losing state get none. Now and then, a fair-minded Supreme President hands some to the other state too.
What the losing side gives up are the powers attached to the Supreme President seat. Our resources and troops did not go down.
Having a Supreme President from the other state lasted two weeks, until our state's own castle event began. You do not have to wait for the next SvS.
How the winner handles the Supreme President buff and positions is up to the Supreme President. So it is common for both states to agree, before fighting, on how these will be handled whichever side wins. This is a negotiation between people, not a game mechanic. Whether it is honored is up to the other side.
| Item | What we agreed | What actually happened |
|---|---|---|
| Supreme President buff | Applied to both states, whoever wins | Applied to both states |
| Position buffs | Unlocked for both states, whoever wins | All unlocked except Minister of Interior |
In some states, positions are not unlocked at all and the winning state keeps them all. After you lose, you have little left to bargain with (estimate), so make the agreement before the fight, whether you expect to win or lose. That is how to keep the loss small.
The next SvS matchup and schedule were not affected.
The mood in the state and alliance activity did not change much either. Still, losing does take the energy out of people.
This article is based on one total defeat the author experienced in State 3597 before migrating. Game updates may change how this works. The English terms Supreme President, Commendation (General / Officer / Soldier), Minister of Interior and "castle event" are taken from fan wikis or translated by us and have not been checked against the English client; they may be replaced if the in-game wording differs.